We went to Flamecon

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Talia: Queer’s the thing, we went to Flamecon!

Talia: I’m Talia, She/her.

Lee: Lee, they/them.

Madison: I’m Madison, She her.

Madison: All right. So this synopsis of flame com. It’s real simple. It’s comic con for the gays. It’s pretty much smaller than what you would imagine New York comic con being. And it was held at the Sheraton in Times Square in New York City. All four of us attended. Lee and I tabled at the event selling artwork, and Talia and Rachel attended as attendees.

Lee: Oh, and also just a heads up. Rachel is also not here right now. But they went and they will maybe talk about it at some later point. Yes, they did go.

Talia: Can I just say. Didn’t actually expect you to say the synopsis I wrote.

Madison: Why not? It was gold.

Talia: That’s fair.

Lee: In fact, I’d like to read the total line right now.

Madison: Good point. I’m sorry. Let me redo you this.

Lee: Yes, please.

Madison: Synopsis of Flame Con??? It’s like comic con, but for the gays. Bam, two seconds.

Lee: That’s what Talia actually literally wrote on our overview of this. And I love it.

Talia: I want you guys to know that there is also a like sub portion of that that says “We’ll probably say it better than this, but Flame Con doesn’t have a plot, so it’ll be V short and probably more casual.

Lee: I disagree. Flame Con has a plot.

Talia: What’s the plot?

Lee: Be gay. Do crime.

Madison: What crime?

Talia: 4/20 69.

Lee: Yes.

Talia: OK.

Madison: We have very different responses to that.

Lee: Did you ask what crime?

Madison: Yes.

Lee: Clearly you weren’t watching me closely.

Madison: Oh, that’s a problem. I sat next to you all day.

Lee: And I commend you for that.

Talia: So we have some different experiences of flame come because like Madison mentioned earlier, Rachel and I were attendees, but Lee and Madison were vendors. So,.

Lee: Yeah!

Talia: How about you guys start talking about your experience at the Con and what that was like?

Madison: We were set up at L105. We were under the booth name of Queer’s the thing, that was what you would have seen us as on program and what our banners would say. But then Lee and I split the table and had all our art on one side or the other.

Madison: And we chatted with a lot of really great people. We were there. It was really exciting. I’ve never attended the event at all as an attendee or in a vendor – (laughter) “in a vendor”.

Lee: “In a Vender” Madison was in a vending machine the whole time, which made it hard to talk to her.

Talia: Oh, I.

Madison: I thought I like “a vendor” like avengers by accident.

Talia: I thought the same! *action theme noises*

Madison: I’ve never been to the event at all. I moved to the city last year. So I am closer to it. My pick for the summer was either go to pride or go to Flame Con. And unfortunately for the past couple of years, pride won out.

Lee: And this year you went to both!

Madison: I did! Because I live down here now. So I was very excited to get to attend. I definitely made time to walk around and not be at the table, but that was really like a half an hour both days.

Lee: Dude, It was so good. Neither of us have ever vended at a convention before. I have attended flamecon before – for the past two years I’ve gone and it was always a super fun con to go to. But I’ve never vended before so we were like, “Yeah! We might as well like let’s try it.” And it’ll be a good way to promote the podcast and everything. And or we can just like fill the table with our art because you can’t sell the audio of a podcast. I guess, you could. We should have thought of that. We should’ve sold that. 

Madison: Little flash drives with the first episode on it?

Lee: But like cassets.

Madison: Yeah, that is more on brand. 

Talia: Oh, Practical

Lee: Yeah, like “buy our mixtape please.” 

Madison: Oh my goodness.

Talia: *laughter* Buy our mix tape!

Lee: It was so great. I was worried if people were going to be judgey because we’ve never done this before. And it was a little bit obvious that we’d never done it before. I think we did a really good job. But like like there’s people that have fucking printed like spanding banners and like custom tablecloths and have clearly done this for like 10 years.

Madison: Yeah.

Lee: And then we are here with like little Amazon tablecloths that we ordered yesterday and like a cool banner-

Madison: A computer printout of our sign at the top because we realized too late that maybe we need a banner on top of it as well.

Lee: Yeah, we got a really nice banner from Vista print and we put it on the front of our table. We’re like, this looks good. And then we like stood in front of it. We’re like, it’s not at eye level. It’s not like knee level and no one’s going to see this.

Madison: Well, maybe your knee level.

Lee: Okay. Well, I don’t appreciate that.

Talia: There is no need to be short with Madison.

Lee: I really don’t appreciate any this. I’m going to I’m going to leave this chat. Thank you. Lee had left the building. Also table height is like at your waist, not at your knees. So if it wasn’t my knees, I’d be very tall, not very short. So fuck you – I know what table heights are.

Talia: *laughter* The mental image of what the proportion would look like!

Lee: I’d bee incredibly tall! 

Madison: So, I mean, that’s the height I aspire to be. So I’ll just picture that when I need to feel good.

Lee: Anyway, that’s very good. That’s my general synopsis of Flame Con. Very good. 

Talia: very good. Very gay.

Lee: So we should start by talking about how we got the table because it was a little weird and a little fucked up. We weren’t aware of this at first, but I got an e-mail from Flame Con because I had signed up for their e-mails having been at their convention before and enjoyed it. And they sent out this thing saying hey, like sign up for our vendor lottery and like you could like get a table for this year’s convention and be a vendor. So I was like, oh, shit, like, that’s cool. That’s something that I’ve wanted to do for a while. So I was like, yeah, sounds awesome. And I know that Madison has mentioned doing it as well. So I like message her. And I was like, hey, we should do this. So we put in all of our information and we like submitted it into the lottery thing. And then we found out later that the lottery was the only way that they were accepting vendors. So for a typical convention, I haven’t tabled at conventions before, but from what other people have said- It’s like usually a portfolio process or like you, you apply to get a table and they judge it based off of your work or like if you have vended with them before and then they will allow you to purchase a table. So this was totally blind on flame cons part like we didn’t have to submit a portfolio we submitted like basically just our names, a description of our work which was just “like we do queer art and like have a podcast that we’re starting.” And that was it. And then we just waited to hear back from them. And we did. And we got a table and we were accepted. But. Well, a lot of people had problems with that because obviously, like people that had tabled before got booted out because they were there was no, like I said, portfolio process or anything. It was just by lottery. They were accepting tables.

Madison: When you brought that to me, we were at the spider verse movie and we were like walking into it.

Lee: Oh, shit, yeah!

Madison: You mentioned that this was the thing you had seen and you wanted to know, like, we’ve never done a real convention before. But Lee and I have shared a table at like a college convention where the only attendees were the 40 other people who went to the nerd clubs on campus. So we we’ve done the scenario before, but not on this scale of flame con.

Lee: And to be clear. Like that was like a fun thing, but we mostly did it because like our friends were attending and we were like, well, let’s make a couple bucks.

Madison: Oh yeah, completely. So you brought it up to me and I and this was not the fault of you for like a lack of description because you also believe this. But like I was under the impression that it was like a few tables that they would be lottoing off. 

Lee: Yeah!

Madison: The concept of that being the whole room was not something that crossed my mind at all. I was like, oh they’ll have like little corner they’re going to raffle off. Flame con did have a weighted system that was in favor of returning artists, but not by much. It was 60 percent or whatever the exact third would be 60 something percent returning artists and 33 percent new coming artists. And again, like it was very odd to me, especially because and we talked about this in the days leading up to it, especially because Sunday was kids day.

Madison: And for the vendors, they announced over the loudspeaker that any sort of like NC 17 or above kind of content would have to be taken off the tables and people would have to ask you if you had it at your tables. That was not something we were made aware of at all. We don’t have any of that content on either in either of the art that we sold. But that was not something that should we have been somebody that had that kind of stuff. We were warned of ahead of time. We didn’t have to label that in the application or anything, it was very loose.But the more so basically once we got the table, we got an email and Lee let me know.

Madison: I started seeing things on Twitter when tables were being announced about people who hadn’t gotten tables would previously gotten them. And basically, like that was when I learned that the lotto system was the entire room except for a couple of specially invited artists.

Lee: Yeah. That was extremely shocking to me because like like you said, like I was imagining that this was like a pool saying that they were doing that like, oh my God. Like, that’s a really great way to like involve new artists is to just raffle a few tables off, like have one aisle of artists alley, that just just lottery tables, so like maybe new artists, maybe younger artists can kind of like get in there without having to have this like built impressive portfolio, like, I was like, oh, that’s a cool thing. Good on them. And then we found out that it was the total opposite of that, that they were kind of like ignoring the fact that there were established artists that consistently came to their convention and helped build it up to something big. And like, we’re just making everything this blind process. And everyone was kind of a little upset about that, rightfully so. And then it turns out that they did end up inviting several artists that have tabled before at Flame Con, such as Kate Leth, who is an artist that we all really like. They kind of like realized like, oh, what we did was a little shitty, like, let’s invite these artists now and see if they’ll come. And some of them did.

Madison: Yeah, I definitely saw a number- Well, the other problem of that is, is not only do these kinds of artists- like obviously Lee and I don’t because we said this is our first one. But there are artists who rely on going to conventions for advertising themselves, but also as a source of income, and not that it’s guaranteed that you’re going to go to them. But if you especially for a convention that’s only five years old and has such a niche community that you have to advertise to and that you’re for when you don’t invite these big artists who draw a lot of attention for that. I kept seeing a lot of things online that are like, well, if so-and-so doesn’t attend because they didn’t get in, like, I’m not going to like spend my money to make it there to go. So it puts in jeopardy the like buying potential for the other people who rely on the bigger artists to bring people in.

Lee: Yeah, It seems like it came from a point of like the people that organized flame con being like this is great. We’ll get all new artists like it’ll be something fresh, like this will be cool and like a cool thing to do and not realizing that they were like kind of screwing over the artists that established them in the first place. And I’m glad that they went back and like offered tables to some of those artists. But I’m sure there were still others that, like didn’t get a chance to table at a convention that they may have done for five years in a row.

Madison: Yeah. So for those of you, obviously who don’t know anything about this kind of space, basically we were emailed and told that we had won the table and that we had a certain window of time to pay for the table because you do have to pay for the table space. So we were told. All right. Like you’ve won the table from now until this date. You have to submit your payment and secure your table. So anybody who didn’t pay for their table- they realized that they really couldn’t attend, date wise or portfolio wise or for whatever reason, their tables got relottoed off until all the tables had been paid for and taken up. So any artists that got re invited back after sort of like this whole thing sort of blew up on the initial draw, were given tables from people who did not decide to take flame con up on their offer.

Lee: Yeah. So that was that whole thing leading up to it, which was kind of like a little bit scary, I think for us because we were like very excited to do this convention than there is like a lot of talk about it leading up to the actual opening where we were like, oh, no. Like, is this going to end up being a bad thing for us? But I have to say, I’ve always said this about Flame Con and this year, like it just solidified this, like it is one of the greatest vibes of a convention that you can attend. Every everyone there is so kind. I have not met a person at Flame Con that I was like creeped out by or made me feel uncomfortable or like I just didn’t want to talk to because they weren’t like a person that I would get along with. It is such a positive event to attend. And like, if you’re at all interested in conventions or if you are in the queer community and you haven’t attended flame con and it’s possible for you – one hundred percent do it. Don’t let that be a question of like, am I really going to enjoy it? Or like what if the people are kind of weird. Like, it’s so great. It’s such a like a positive convention.

Madison: Yeah. You guys have told me that before and I’ve seen it online. Obviously, that Flame Con was – a lot of artists say it’s their favorite event to go to. You guys obviously loved it in the two years that you went. And I obviously had the understanding that everybody was friendly there. But I- I was still not prepared for how nice everyone was. I expected them to be friendly in terms of like you guys were saying, they were very nice people I repeating myself right now. But I wasn’t expecting everybody to be so conversationally friendly. Everyone who came to our table was incredibly nice. We talked for a while with a lot of the people. Even the people who just come by your table and look at things and don’t really buy it and just walk away, they were still like, nice, or you could still hold a conversation with them. I wasn’t expecting to get along with everyone on this, the level that I did.

Lee: Yeah. It’s like it was never hard to speak to anyone. And like, I have that trouble sometimes. Like every everyone is like not only friendly, but like willing to go like above and beyond, which was like so shocking. Like the person that came to the table with the book that you. What was that? That graphic novel or something?

Madison: Ok. Yes. So there was a girl named Abby who came up to our table with a book that I had purchased. And it’s on my shelf as books that I’ve bought because I want to read but haven’t gotten time to. And It’s Laura Dean keeps breaking up with me. And it’s by Mariko Tamaki and Rosemary Valer O’Connell. So I’ve had it. And so Abby came up to our table with her coffee and said that they were signing. So she went over and she got her copy signed- because it was at a specific time. And she was like, I’ll come back to your table and let you know how long the line is, because I mentioned that I would have wanted that. And Lee was like, I’ll take your copy. You can go like, buy one and get it signed. So I did.

Madison: And so like, even that was just like an incredibly nice gesture to say,.

Lee: She offered to give you her print that came with her copy of the book so that you can get something signed. I was like, this is so incredibly nice of a person that, like, has never met you before. Like, this is so great. You know, it’s just such a nice moment. And I wasn’t even involved in it. I was just like, this is great.

Madison: Yeah. So like gestures like that were an extra mile. Not like you don’t know me. I’m just like a vendor that’s sitting there. And to be like, oh, my God, this vendor really wants to get something signed with its artists. But they said they’ve already purchased the books, like purchasing a second copy is a lot. But. But I have this extra thing like why do I just let them get a sign like that was so nice.

Lee: Yeah. And like, people were constantly like as soon as we were like, hey, we like we’re starting this podcast. And then one of our cards and like, stickers and stuff, they were like, so positive towards it. And I think that was something that I was nervous about because I was like, we’re gonna be like that, like the new SoundCloud rappers that are like, listen to my new thing, please, please.

Talia: Listen to our mix tape.

Lee: Please listen to our mix tape. So it was like like I would grab one and be “hey this is our podcast please listen to it”. And they would be like, oh, cool, what is it about? And I’m like, oh, God. Now they want to know more about it. They didn’t have take it, they could have just been like “Oh cool thanks ok”

Lee: Almost everyone was like, oh, what’s it about? Like, oh, that sounds really cool. Like I’ve been waiting to listen to something like that. Like, when do you release it? Like asking questions, just like you said, going above and beyond. Very nice.

Madison: Yeah. We a lot of people were really receptive to talking about the podcast. They had suggestions. We as part of an event that Flame Con hosted, they had a treasure hunt where essentially we were emailed, what, like a week or two, two weeks before the event.

Lee: Two weeks?

Madison: Yeah, two weeks before the event happened, asking us if we wanted to participate. And essentially con goers could go to the game room and pick up a map that had a bunch of different tables listed on it. And each table had to come up with a task for you to do or a question for you to answer. And if you completed it, we would stamp your map. And if your whole map got stamped, you could submit it for a lottery. And the prize was a piece from every table that participated. So we won to be able to be part of it on Saturday. So we asked you guys what your favorite piece of queer media was, whether it was a podcast or a show or a movie, because we wanted to basically get recommendations for this podcast because we wanted to know what you were interested in and so many people from that were so very nice.

Lee: So. So, yeah. So we did that. We signed up for that. And we like it was a really good way to like meet a bunch of people that like maybe wouldn’t have typically come to our table. And we were like reading through the results and we’re like, oh, shit. Like, we should just like basically go through these, watch anything that’s suggested and try to like review it.

Madison: I have the results of that. The most mentioned thing. Was She-ra. We had a bunch of people that said they were very interested in at which, you know, it’s definitely on my list. I’ve never seen the original, but I’m excited to watch it. We also had a lot of you mentioned Good Omens, hence our last episode. While we saw a lot of a lot of people who were very interested in Good Omens, Lee had a print set that got a lot of attention. It’s beautiful.

Lee: Oh, thank you. I was really happy with that. I did like the lovers tarot cards with them both being like pulled apart in their respective directions. And I also in my sketchbook was, of course, drawing way too much good omen stuff leading up to the convention.

Talia: Good.

Lee: Thank you. It was like not all of this is suitable to make a print out of. So I kind of like made a little collage and was handing them out to the Good Omens cosplayers that I saw, which was fun, because then they would come over and talk and they had great costumes. Actually, the first Good Omens cosplay that we saw of the day came over and they were dressed as Crowley. I was like, you take one of these, I made these for this purpose. Please take one. I was afraid that that would be the only person that we saw the whole day dressed in Good Omens stuff but like way more came by.

Madison: You ran out of those sketch cards.

Lee: I did. There were a lot of Good Omens  so we were like, oh shit, we like totally need to review this.

Madison: Yeah, I was not finished with the Good Omens book and I hadn’t started the series yet. When we did the convention. So on Sunday I straight up read part of it while we were there, while there were lulls. Lee was like “I’m gonna make you a sign. And it says hold on, finishing reading” or whatever. What did you say I was gonna say?

Lee: I was going to say like “artist finishing.” Oh, God, I forget basically. Like you’d be back in ten. I’m reading good omes.

Madison: Oh, yeah.

Talia: Oh, mood. I just I have to say really quickly, a few short little anecdotes that sum up just how many good omens cosplayers were at this thing. First of all, the first thing that Rachel and I saw when we – because we got there like as the con opened. So we were basically herded into like the beginning ceremony room and we watched like one Crowley cosplayer take a picture with an Aziraphale cosplayer. And then when they were done, they walked over and high five another Crowley cosplayer.

Lee: Which is the most in character thing ever.

Talia: Correct. And then there was another instance where, like Rachel and I had left the con to get you guys like food or something. And we came back and I heard one Crowley as we walked back and say to another, it’s Crowley con 2019, baby.

Madison: Which was very true.

Lee: It was fair. There was this great. Oh, yeah, there is a great Crowley cosplayer that came by our table who was wearing a black dress with gold snakes all over. I was like, first of all, a great cosplay. Second of all, a great dress. And they said “thank you. I’ve had this in my closet for like years and I was like, I’ll need this eventually. And then I watched Good omens I was like, now is my time.” I was like, thank God, I love you so much.

Madison: Yeah, it was perfect. There were a lot of really good cosplays.

Talia: The Katra on Scorpio that was walking around..

Lee: *gasp* the Katra and Scorpio that were walking around…

Talia: From the princess prom episode. 

Lee: Yasss

Talia: That was so good. So I regret not asking them for a picture because I saw them mainly like in the hallways of artists alley because that’s where I spent most of my time. And I was like, I don’t want to ask you for that here. So I like I don’t have like their Instagram handles or anything, but oh my God, they were so good.

Lee: They like came in front of our table at one point and the Katra cosplayer from that group like was taking a picture with another Katra and I was like waiting for my chance. So when they finished, I was like, I didn’t have to say like, that’s an amazing cosplay and I didn’t want to interrupt this little Katra moment that was going on here. It was so good. I know Madison, you mentioned like we got a lot of She-Ra requests from that scavenger hunt that we did. And I have watched She-Ra, I have not watched the newest season, but I watched the first two, I believe, and. Oh, God. Oh, my God. Noelle Stevenson is the greatest. Her writing just like makes me so happy.

Madison: I mean, I loved her on LumberJanes and Nimona is one of my favorite pieces. I just forced Rachel to buy Nimona on Saturday. 

Lee: *laugher* Forced! 

Talia: *laugher* Forced!

Madison: Rachel and I were in the Lower East Side on Saturday and we went into a bookshop and they had the Nimona. And it was like on discount and it was a really good condition copy. And I was like, have you read this yet? If not, you really should. And then I sort of like described it and sort of like kept mentioning enough that they purchased it.

Lee: That is why Rachel is not here. They are currently reading Nimona because Madison forced them to do it.

Madison: It’s their genre. They’re gonna love it. So there’s no reason for them not to have already read it. I can’t believe they lived with us for two years after we’ve already read that book and they hadn’t read it yet.

Lee: Madison I’ve never read that book.

Madison: Wait no don’t you own it? Haven’t you read that book?

Lee: No, I have read and love lumberjane. I’ve never read Nimona.

Madison: Oh, well, when I give you your good omens book back, it’s on the stipulation that you also take that book and read it.

Lee: I already have one of your books that I have to give back to you.

Madison: Yes. And there’s other books I have to give you.

Lee: Like obviously Madison and I were at the table for most of the day we were seeing cosplayers that passed by us. But like as far as the table itself goes, I think Madison would agree. We felt incredibly lucky with the people that we were sitting next to. From the moment that we walked in, we were like, oh, no. Like, who’s going to be around us and are they going to be friendly? And the second that they walked in, their names were Liz and Lee, 

Lee: Yes. Another Lee

Madison: Coincidenta-lee 

Talia: Love-lee

Lee: ….Anyway…

Lee: They were incredibly nice and they introduced themselves to us and we were like just casually talking as we were setting up and their artwork was awesome. Yes, I know. Liz had these these pins that I saw like early on the morning that were inspired by Crowley in Aziraphale and I was like, oh, shit. Like, they were like very cool, like military style, like almost like metal, like medallion. I was like oh shit. Like those are so cool. Like if you still have those at the end of the day I’m totally buying them. And they were gone and I was like, oh no. But we did a print exchange and I gave them my good omen’s prints and they gave me one of their awesome Pearl from Steven Universe prints. And it says, “My taste in music is your face,” which was the best. And then Lee and I also did a print exchange, same thing. I gave them some good omens, prints, and they gave me this really awesome. It’s like a black envelope with a gold seal on it, which is like the best way to present a print ever. And I opened it up and there’s like a little folded piece of paper inside. And there is one of their tarot cards which they designed themselves, which is so cool. And it was actually the one for new love. And it’s like two hands and the pinkies or hook. And it’s very cool. And like the back of the card, it’s so beautiful. It has this like triangular tree design. It just so impressed. I’ve always wanted to make my own tarot deck. So I was like, oh, like always blown away by people that make their own. And it was very nice of them. 

Lee: And Talia you stopped by their table as well.

Talia: Right. I did. I got a tarot card reading from Lee. Not you.

Lee: From me.

Talia: No, not you.

Lee: From other Lee.

Talia: From other Lee. I did. And it was very good- like their, From what I understand, their deck is sort of based on the way that they have learned how to read tarot cards. So the minor arcana are different from the way they usually are. Like it’s a different kind of tarot deck. It’s not Oracle cards, but it’s a different type of tarot deck. And I like it a lot. It’s really cool.

Lee: That’s cool.

Madison: Well, that’s awesome.

Talia: I would recommend like going to their website to know more about that because I am not going to do justice explaining it. And, you know, like we’ll put all that stuff in the description later.

Lee: All right. And just to say it, while we’re still talking about them, that thecannibalcoalition.com is Lee’s Web site and pockwashere on Facebook is how you can find Liz. Both of them have very awesome artwork and are very nice people. So please check them out.

Madison: Yeah, we’ll definitely put their links and the description.

Madison: So on the list of people that came by our table, you can find them on Twitter. Her handle is @queer_Reader. She came over and we were talking about I don’t know that she participated in the treasure hunt, but we were talking about our podcast for a long time. And she had a great list of recommendations. As Lee and Talia will know like period piece females are definitely my thing. Like you want to talk about like Pride and Prejudice stuff or like why there should be a gay version of Pride and Prejudice. Talk about it with me. But just know that your whole day is going to have to get schedule with that. So she came over and she literally off the top of her head, gave us a list about like Edwardian lesbians, There was another one for like elderly lesbians and mysteries, which Agatha Christie is my bitch. She had a lot of great things to say. I wrote down everything that she said. I followed her on Twitter immediately. She runs a queer book club. So you all should go. Definitely check her out. It’s called The Rainbow Readers in Massachusetts. She’s a lot of great recommendations. And I’m really thankful that she came over to the table because we had a really great time talking about her, talking with her and talking about her.

Lee: Well, now we’re having a great time talking about her. She also had a podcast I believe, right? It was like about like romance novels like that.

Madison: Yes.

Lee: Because I have that written down as @rombkpod which sounds awesome because she seemed super knowledgeable, about the books she was recommending and it was like incredibly helpful and very interesting for us. So thank you for stopping by.

Lee: And then we had people like even came by to the table and gave us artwork, which was like.

Madison: So incredibly nice,.

Lee: The least expected thing of the day for me. We’re selling artwork and here you are just like coming up and handing us stuff. And I was like, thank you so much. We got these awesome like symmetrical like floral inspired prints from Amanda Morante on Etsy, and I hope I’m pronouncing your name correctly. We’ll spell it out the description, but it’s like this beautiful. It almost reminds me of like really old fashioned rugs, like the cool, like intricate details and like embroidery and stuff. And I checked out their Instagram and it’s very cool and really awesome artwork. And they just came by and were like, “here, I’m just handing out some of my prints because I like, I appreciate your table.” and I was like “oh my god thank you so much.” We both got one. It was so incredibly nice.

Madison: Yeah. It was incredibly awesome to be just handed these things by con-goers. I know that she specifically was talking about, you know, she had never table before and possibly tabling one year and kind of feeling it out by handing things out, which is great. I know they’re going along with what happened with the raffle and stuff. There were a number of people who had table that events before who were going around like sort of self advertising. So there were there were some people who were going around who had things to sell on that were handing things out. So they were definitely people who are around on the floor. I think you and Talia were given another. Another thing. Right?

Talia: Yeah. We were given these beautiful stickers. OK, what does your say again?

Lee: Mine says Lawful Envy, which is great.

Talia: I think mine lawful pan or is a chaotic pan. I don’t have it right in front of me.

Lee: I think they were all lawful.

Talia: OK, they were all lawful.

Lee: Yeah. Because I would have chosen chaotic.

Talia: That’s true. So it’s like it’s like a die. And then there’s- is it a D 20 specifically? Right?

Lee: Yeah it’s a D 20.

Talia: And then there’s like some floral stuff behind it. And it was a sticker and they gave us each one. And that was really nice and fun. We don’t have their information or anything, but if you know who that is. Hit us up.

Lee: Yeah. Or if you see that artwork anywhere because it’s it’s like so cool. It’s very like tattoo style, like the d 20 with a banner that says lawful. And then they had a ton of different identities and they’re all in the colors of that identities flag. And they were like they just like fanned them out on the table and they’re like, here, choose your identity. It was like, “holy shit, This is so cool.”

Madison: Yeah. So if you if you know who we’re talking about, definitely add us and let us know because we’d love to credit them at that description.

Lee: Yes, please. They were so nice.

Talia: I agree.

Madison: There were a lot of people, so Lee and I primarily sitting at the table most of the days with some relief from Rachel and Talia. Thank you for that. We didn’t get to walk around as a unit like as sellers until Sunday morning. It was right after- there wasn’t really much setup because everything was left at the tables overnight. So before everybody who was attending came in, we sort of went around and tried to talk to some of the artists and get like a chance to look at the stuff without other people being at the table and not feeling pressure to get back to ours. And one of my favorite people that we got to talk to was Sarah Hagstrom. She’s an illustrator and print maker. And she was at the table that had Lucky Pocket Press, which we got to talking to them for a while. And they had just done a Kickstarter to get their own risograph printer and their prints were hands down. Beautiful. So I was really excited to get to talk to them and about the process that that entails. And they’re doing mostly their own artwork. With that right now. But I definitely am keeping an eye out on their work and to see if they’re willing to collaborate with other artists soon because I would love to work with them with that printer.

Lee: Yeah, that was such a cool process. And the colors were beautiful, like, oh, my God.

Madison: Oh, they were incredible. They were so bright.

Lee: They had these like like card sized prints, like like tarot card sized prints that I was just like in awe of. You guys were talking about printing and I was just like, uhhhhhhh pretty art.

Madison: Risograph printers print one layer at a time. Very similar to screen printing. Kind of like a screen printing, print making marriage. And they just- I don’t know. It’s so- Part of artwork gor me, it’s like a mathematical element of like figuring out like how did you layer like that, especially if your process is so labor intensive where it’s one color each and you have five, six colors on it. How did like- the planning that goes into that? It’s something I could talk to somebody about for hours.

Lee: Yeah, I think that morning time that we had on Sunday, it was like some of my favorite time. I think at the convention and I wish we had more of it.

Madison: Agreed.

Lee: Because all of the artists are there. But the convention wasn’t open yet to attendees. So we were just like wandering around and like talking to as many people as we could. We only had like 20 minutes maybe at that point. By the time we had set up?

Madison: Or less, it felt really very short.

Lee: But another one of the great artists that we spoke to was Sara McSorley. And they had these amazingly colored prints. And I remember Madison you and them were like talking about like reusing color palettes and stuff, which I thought was so funny because I was looking at their artwork and I was just like completely amazed. They used these very like like almost neon colors. And it works so well. And it’s such like a nice restricted color palette. I was just like, “oh, shit, like, how do you do that? Because I try to use color and it looks nothing like that”.

Madison: A lot of pinks and blues and violets. And yeah, we were talking about kind of having a stylized color palette and I was saying I was at that table and- I do I’m starting a series, but for the most part I do a lot of isolated artwork depending on something that I’m really interested in. But the consistency that happens throughout and -so I’m a graphic designer and something that happen to me in graphic design school as I would always use the same color. And then you sort of go and you go to put your portfolio together and you’re looking at everything next to each other and you have to- I literally had to go and change the color palette of some of my things so that when I went to go to apply to jobs, it didn’t look like it only work with the color pink.

Lee: We call it Madison Pink.

Madison: That’s a that’s a very specific pink. I’ve kind of switched up a little bit like I’m getting into like more like a like a lighter purplish pink and I’ve got like an orange pink going on. But it’s kind of like there there is one sort of magenta ish color that’s that’s very signature of me. And so Lee and I set up our table and I hung everything up and I was looking at it and I was like, oh, shit. Like, I did this to myself. It’s in almost everything again. And then we eat breakfast and the cons about to start and I got to put on my lipstick and I have brought only one lipstick and it is that color. So at least I was on brand.

Lee: Yes. 

Madison: So yeah. Sara and I got into a great discussion of how, you know, you can have a million and a half color palette saved in Photoshop, but you’re only gonna have one that you open to actually draw.

Lee: And Sara is Saramcart on Instagram. And please go follow them because their stuff really cool. They had great pins

Madison: Yeah, great pins.

Lee: Yes.

Madison: They had I think a pin called bitch witch.

Lee: Yeah. Yeah.

Madison: I definitely should have purchased. I have to see if they have an online store.

Lee: So like, like we were saying we were behind the table most the day obviously because we’re selling our work. But Talia, give us top artists you saw or interacted with.

Talia: Oh, oh dear

Lee: But like some of the favorite artwork that you saw.

Talia: I was going to sat it’s kind of hard to say because I have a whole list. I have a big, long list of artists that I really want to mention very badly, some of whom I bought stuff from and some of whom I did not. I’m just gonna go through, first of all. J. Yang, who is at WingedCoi – as in the fish on Instagram. They had like the most beautiful good omens prints. I.

Lee: Oh my God,.

Talia: Listen. Like I’m very particular about when people draw Crowley and Aziraphale because I feel like a lot of people don’t know how to Aziraphale. And like, I’m not going to get into that here. But Jay Yang, just such a beautiful, beautiful job. And both Lee and I got prints from them. I think they had probably my favorite good omens, prints of the whole con. And there were a lot of them.

Lee: Yeah. Which- which print did you end up, you know, or what like what stuff did you end up getting from them?

Talia: I got the print of Aziraphale as an angel, but he has like a million bazillion eyes and Crowley as a snake and Crowley sort of like kissing his face with a little tongue. And then I got- they had a print that was like the two of them and you can get them as either one print or a separate prints. But as I know Aziraphale has like some magic themed stuff around him. And then Crowley has like, I don’t really I can’t see it from here. I’m gonna be honest with you, because it’s still like sitting in the bag because I’m not.

Lee: That’s the one with the the red background right?

Talia: The yellow one.

Lee: Okay. Yellow, I’m sorry. But I remember that because it’s like a longer, wider print.

Talia: They recently I don’t know if it’s available to print like on their website, but on their Instagram they recently printed. Like Aziraphale, as I don’t even know what type of style you would call that drawing, but it’s like him as a picture on the wall and it says like number one southern pansy blue ribbon. Like he’s won an award for it.

Lee: Oh, I saw that. I followed them on Instagram like the second that we left.

Talia: Oh same.

Lee: I got it. I got the same print with the like multi eye Aziraphale and Snake Crowley, but as a button. So it’s like a heart shaped button. And then I got this really like adorable square print in black and white of Crowley and Aziraphale like flying together. And I absolutely love it. It’s like it’s one of my favorite prints I have ever bought I think. 

Talia: They also had a really cute zine of them, which we’ll get into later, because I know we all want to talk about zines. Also, speaking of zines, there was a person I didn’t end up buying stuff from this person. Their name is C.J. and they’ve a website that’s feastevil.com. But they they had scenes that were called these are the scenes “quarter life Naruto crisis.”

Lee: Yes. Yes. Good.

Talia: And, “one month Naruto phase.” And they are incredible. They are hilarious. And I was looking on their website just now because I wanted to make sure that I got the right person and everything they have, they have a whole bunch of charms. They have some mob psycho stuff. I think Rachel also bought a print like a Naruto print from them. But the important thing to note here, they have a section that’s called Cursed Reagan Charms. If any of, you know, mob psyco one hundred. And it’s literally just that charms of cursed Reagan. And I love that very much. But their stuff is fantastic. They also had had a good omen zine called Just Ok Omens. And it’s really great. I bought a sticker from Jiji Knight, @jijidraws on Instagram and Twitter. They draw some very cute thick girls and I love them a lot. I got a sticker. Lee got a print.

Lee: I did.

Talia: I know you’re looking for it now.

Lee: I am! Here it is. 

Talia: I don’t know if there’s anything that you want to say about that or not, because I’m trying to like sort of speed through the list because I have a whole bunch and I don’t wanna miss anybody.

Lee: Yeah, I just wanted to say, like their at was like some of my favorite because I just I couldn’t decide what I wanted from their table. And that’s always like a mark for me of like an artist that I really love at a convention. And I ended up going with this little print. It says “professional heartbreaker.” And it’s this adorable girl in like a pink bathing suit with like a devil tail and devil horns. And she’s like holding a heart in her hand. And it’s just like, absolutely, please, please, please, like, buy something from them. They have a website. JiJiKnight.com.

Talia: Some heart shaped lollipop earrings.

Madison: I fuckin love those.

Talia: Right? They’re really cute I’m pretty sure I got this right because I looked through their page and they had the same ones @thePrincePEACOCK on Instagram. I don’t know if they have a website or not, but that’s where you can find them. I bought some cute like potion cards and they’re themed like self care potion empty my inbox potion. And then on the back it says what they do from Oliver Northwood and their Instagram handle is @allofthenorth.

Talia: I got this adorable thing of Washi tape. Again, for all you mob psycho fans out there, it’s of mob running and like not doing it well and it’s really cute. The artist for that is http://www.instagram.com/patabot, like pat pat. 

Madison: Also, I loved how you said pat pat as your way of getting people to understand that that’s what that word was.

Talia: I mean I got the point across didn’t I.

Madison: You did, But that was a really adorable way of doing it.

Lee: Not Pat, as in Patrick. Just pat an in “pat pat”.

Talia: Thank you. Grace Kraft on Instagram. That’s Grace E. Kraft and Kraft spelled with a K. Did some beautiful, beautiful watercolor work. This is another person I didn’t get anything from. But I want to make sure I shout at them out most of their stuff. Not all of it was Steven Universe, but it was like really beautiful.

Talia: There is Karen, who is @AcidBeaker on Instagram. They had a super cool under tail print that I wish I could have bought, but my wallet wouldn’t let it happen.

Madison: Always the problem when you go to these things. I had like a budget and blew it near immediately.

Lee: Oh my god. Yeah, I went out with like 20 bucks one day and I was like ended up being “do you take card” at certain table- because we found those is pins and stuff that we got. It was just like, well I’m blowing it.

Madison: You see, I have a limited wall space in my apartment, so I’m trying to hold off on buying wall art for a while. So I am building my zine library by going these things. So I bought a bunch of zines and I just I’m like I was like, I’m going to be picky with them. I’m only getting ones that I feel like apply. So like my work that I’m doing or that really speak to me.

Madison: And then about like six of them, Rachel was next to me. And Rachel and I whenever we go shopping, it’s always me just like looking at something longingly and Rachel knowing that I’m gonna wrestle with it for a second before I buy it and they just- they’re very patient with me. It’s great.

Lee: Rachel is a good enabler.

Madison: Terrible because they’re an enabler.

Lee: But we all do. I mean, we all do. And to each other. But like Rachel is very insidious about it. “Get it”

Madison: Or you’ll be like between two things and say what should I get? And Rachel will just go, “Yes.”.

Talia: Yep! Listen, I went around Artist Alley for two days with Rachel.

Madison: Talia. How did you come out of that without more debt?

Talia: I mean,

Lee: Right??

Talia: Some. I still bought a fuck ton of stuff my dude.

Madison: I wish we could do a case study of like things you’d buy on your own versus things you buy with Rachel.

Lee: It’s so true. Oh, my God. I like. I love them for it, though, because I go home and I’m like, I would have totally regretted it.

Madison: They help you make the decisions that you want to make,  They don’t have any consideration for your wallet.

Madison: Yeah, but I’ve got a bunch of great queer zines. Like I’m usually on the hunt for them on Etsy and stuff, but it’s just always nice to like naturally come about them in a queer environment and just sort of like in the work that I’m doing as a CIS person, it’s just really important for me to like get resources from people with, you know, that have different gender identity.

Madison: Just like other you know, other gender identity is then cis gender. So I bought a zine by Quinn Milton called When Your Body is Not Your Own: An Artifact of Trans Pessimism and it’s mostly text. And I’ve read through it and it’s beautiful. About like about your body and the feeling within your body and like how you’re taking control of your body.

Madison: I’m excited to like have this library and to be sharing it with people. Another really great book. It’s a it’s done in a comic format. It’s a it’s more of like a paper bound, perfect bound book. But it was called a Quick and Easy Guide to They/Them pronouns, which even with friends with They/Them pronouns I like to hear the explanation from a lot of different people. So I haven’t gotten to sit down and read this one yet, but I’m excited to go through it.

Lee: I’d like to borrow that from.

Madison: Yes, absolutely. And then I have a zine that I’ve had for a while. I bought it at Midtown Comics, and because Kate Leth was there, I had the golden opportunity. I got it signed by her. It’s called Ink for Beginners: Comic Guide to Getting Tattooed. And I bought this before I got tattooed. And it’s just all about like how to be how basically people who don’t have tattoo is like things they should expect. Like treating artists like what tipping is an aftercare and how it’s different in like where it’s going to hurt on the body. And it’s just a really great synopsis. And I was I was very excited to get it signed by her. That was an awesome, awesome moment.

Lee: I’m sorry. You said aftercare. And I was not thinking about tattoos.

Talia: I was same.

Madison: I mean, I would also purchase something about aftercare, but sure.

Lee: Oh, fuck. Yeah. I’m going to write one.

Madison: Please do.

Lee: Oh, God, I said that on podcast people might hear that. That means that I might have to do it.

Madison: External pressure.

Lee: Good.

Talia: Yeah, I feel like if you are going. It depends on what you’re going for and for how long you are going. My experience was like Rachel and I had to be there both days.

Lee: Sorry.

Talia: No don’t be, I’m glad we were. But, you know, our just preference wise- is our main thing was like we want to be in artists alley and we want to like buy stuff from the vendors. And we did that, but we plowed through it. And like a day and after that, we were kind of like, well, what do we do now? Like there were panels. But here’s the thing that happens when you go with only one other person, you kind of look at each other and say, what do you want to do? And then say, I don’t know. What do you want to do? Then the other one says, I don’t I’m not really interested in any of these panels. And you go mean either. And then you look afterwards and you’re like, I would have been interested in this panel maybe, but I didn’t really look good. Which was not like anybody’s fault. I just like I didn’t think about it while we were there. I was also a little bit overwhelmed because that’s how I get when I’m around a lot of people.

Talia: I would say, though, if you’re looking to go to like wander around artist alley, go for one day, don’t spend forty dollars to go for the whole weekend to wander art. I would say if you’re going for two days, check ahead of time, see if there are any panels that you would like to go to because those sounds like they could have been fun. I’d think from my perspective I’m the kind of person who like if I’m going to a panel, I want it to be a little more interactive. And also, I think that’s the thing that also didn’t catch my eye. There weren’t too many things that seemed like they were interactive. It was also harder to meet people as an attendee. I think from what it sounds then it was there as a vendor because unless you’re going there wearing cosplay, there’s almost nothing to like pull somebody aside and talk about, you know. So like the feedback I heard from you guys was like, “we met so many cool people.” And Rachel and I were like, “we walked around artists alley.” You know, we got to know each other very well, which is good because Rachel and I are friends.

Lee: But yeah, I think like from experience, from attending, like I’ve experienced that as well. I think it’s just like from an attendee point of view. Also, like I’m more likely to talk to someone whose art is there because it gives you a conversation topic, like you said, like unless you’re in cosplay, because that can be a conversation starter. But like it is difficult to just like run up to someone and be like, let’s talk and be friends. It’s like there’s no like, quote unquote, reason to.

Madison: Agreed.

Talia: Rachel and I also stopped into the game room, which was cool. But like, they have like a lot of games there. But it’s hard to play anything with just two people. They also had what was they were showing what was called the X box adaptive controller, which is essentially like a controller. That’s meant to make gaming more accessible to people with disabilities. And I thought that was great. As somebody who’s training to be a music therapist, I could definitely see the ways that that could be applied in a lot of different settings. I’m like I was like planning sessions in my head and this is how I can get them to work on teamwork and getting used to other people, stuff like that.

Talia: I guess the only other thing I have to say is that I have a I have one little story time about when it was time to leave the con.

Lee: Story time! 

Talia: Lee know the story. I don’t think Madison does. So this will be fun. 

Lee: I do? 

Talia: So when we were leaving the con or I guess like right before. This was on Sunday. So all the vendors had to, like, get the fuck out. And so naturally, like minutes before we got notifications on our phone, like, hey, a flash flood warning, it’s going to rain a lot. And so, you know, Rachel and I ended up sort of waiting in the lobby for a bit for Madison and Lee to pack up all the stuff and head into the lobby. And we all sort of set our collective goodbyes. And I was waiting in the lobby with Lee. And Lee said, hey, can you, like, watch my luggage for a second? I’m going to go use the bathroom. And I said, oh, OK.

Talia: And in the time it took a Lee to like use the bathroom and come back, I found myself surrounded by what was almost certainly like a Satanists? Like seven.

Lee: Occultists! 

Talia: Occultists?

Madison: What??

Talia: Or satanists or one of the two. But they were.

Lee: I can’t believe we didn’t bring this up.

No, I’m dead serious, though, that all of them were wearing necklaces with an upside down pentagram, every last one of them. And I heard them talking to each other. They were surrounding me. There was no way out. And it wasn’t on purpose. They were just all standing in the lobby because it was raining outside And all the people from the con were standing on the stairs outside. So I heard one of them say to them, like, “we’re not getting out there. There’s so many people and there’s like 98 of us.” And I’m thinking to myself, oh, my God.

Talia: So Lee came back and found me on the ground next to their luggage, like, hey, “are you ok?”

Lee: I broke through the circle of Occultists. 

Madison: What

Talia: So that’s how that’s how our flame con ended.

Madison: Hold up. It’s been over two weeks. How have I not heard this yet?

Lee: Listen, it was so surreal that even I forgot about it until this moment.

Madison: Oh, my God.

Lee: Because it was just like people in very fancy clothes of varying types. So like some were wearing just normal suits and dresses and some were wearing like almost steam punk inspired dresses or liked suits or whatever. And my first thought as I was approaching was, oh, dear God Talia has you been taken by Vampires. And I was just so I’d like walked into the circle and I found Talia and I was like, OK. Let’s go. 

Madison: Oh, my God.

Talia: And it was – Queer’s the thing, Talia you joined a cult. 

Madison: That’s it’s own episode. It’s an intervention.

Talia: I do have a few more people that I didn’t get to mention on my list, and they’re people that I bought stuff from. I bought this one zine from roseberrycomix with an X on the end called Magical Art Therapy, Vol. 1. And it’s just like a series of what looks like tarot card sigils and they represent something. I think my favorite one is probably I think it stands for something like “revenge for the people that got away with it” or something like that. It’s very cool.

Talia: There was somebody there named Everest Strayer Wong at Sinister Squids on Instagram.

Lee: Amazing name.

Talia: And they had a whole bunch of like food cube stickers. They’re very cute. I bought one that was like a little mermaid and a saki I think alcohol bottle is very cute. And then I don’t know how to pronounce his name. I think Emiett. E m i e t t. And then the Instagram is norestforemiett. And they had what was. I’ve been longing for this the whole con long. They had a print in an older style. And it says “leave room for Miku. As in Hatsune Miku and it has these two children who are dancing and in between them. There is like a- a cut out like the dotted line of where Hatsune Miku would be in between them and then faded out into the distance is Hatsune Miku giving a peace sign.

Lee: It’s in the style of like a little Golden Book.

Talia: Yeah. Exactly. And then I also got some tarot card prints from yoshiyoshitani who does some beautiful work.

Madison: Yeah, I have a couple of those postcards.

Talia: Yeah. Oh, they’re so pretty. And that’s everybody that I have to mention for now.

Lee: Cool.

Madison: I want to like just again, like in case anyone listening, like thank everybody that we got to talk to you. So somebody that I want to make sure that we mention is Edie Nugent. She wrote an article about going to the convention with her stepdaughter, Gabby. They went on Youth Day, which was Sunday. And the entire article is sort of about Gabby’s experience. It’s called Youth Day at Flame Con 2019 teens, I view. And the two of them came to our table. We talked to them. I definitely remember them coming by. We had a really great discussion about the podcast and they looked through our zine.

Madison: So Lee and I created a scene called Queerly Beloved. We have made two iterations of this and we update it every year. And it sort of goes through the burry your gays trope. You can. We’re gonna have it available to purchase all of our proceeds, go to the Trevor Project. But as Edie. put it, “It reads like the most depressing episode of Six Feet under ever.”

Madison: But she talks about for how it opened up like the fact that Gabby was already familiar with the barrier gays trope, whereas it was something that she had to learn. So it brings about a discussion of the generational difference between somebody of Gabby’s age going to Flame con, and she had some really good points about how the con can market itself towards her age group better. And I’m really interested to see whether or not the con implements anything like that. We’ve retweeted the article on our Twitter. You can go to @qttpodcast. Check it out and then obviously follow Edie. She’s a writer for comicsbeat. So I would definitely check out her work and shout out to her for for looking at our stuff.

Lee: Yeah, I was so impressed when I saw like the article, just like amazed that I guess the weirdest thing was that she mentioned us by name and like and the like our booth name and the zine name and everything. But she had our names in there too. Like she said, like Madison and Lee and I was like that was incredibly impressive and nice. But like she even thought to put our names in there or like remember us and stuff. And I was like it was nice that she took that chunk out of that article to talk about us. I was like, glad that we made as much of an impression as they made on us.

Madison: Yeah. And that really wraps up everything that I have to say about it. Any final thoughts for you guys?

Lee: Yes. I thought it was hilarious that they covered up the bathroom signs to make them gender neutral.

Madison: No wait how can I forget that? I was the one that said that should be put on the outline.

Lee: I know.

Lee and I left. It was no, it was when Lee and I went to go pick up our stamp for the treasure hunt game on Saturday. We were walking down the hallway and I commented and I looked at the bathrooms and I was like, oh, my goodness, they have all gendered bathrooms like great of the Sheraton. And then Lee looked a little closer and saw that they were printed Styrofoam signs that had been like glued to the signs. That would have been for the gender.

Lee: Let me be clear. Like, I super appreciate Flame Con for doing that. And it was like a very cool vibe the whole day of just everyone that bathroom. But it was just the whole areas because you were like “good on the Sheraton.” And we look a little bit closer. We were like, wait a minute, it’s a sleeve.

Madison: It was hilarious because like we Lee pointed it out and there was one sign that hung out over in the hallway and it was just like three inches thicker than it normally would be because it’s like they had to get these like those inch big foam core signs slapped on either side of it.

Lee: It was very funny. Anyway, that was the last little thing I wanted to brag about.

Madison: Talia any final thoughts?

Talia: Not really. No, I think I’m good.

Lee: Thank you so much.

Madison: We were excited to attend we’re hoping to do so again next year, obviously, as we go along, we’ll keep you guys updated. If anybody has any other experiences about flamecon they want to share we would love to hear about them.  

Lee: Seriously, again, thank you. Even if we didn’t mention you by name, like everyone that we talked to made such a big impression on us that weekend and it was a super great experience. And we just want to say thank you again for everyone that either purchased artwork or just stopped by to say hi.

Talia: Should I say the outro?

Lee: Yeah. Tell em to fuck off.

Talia: Okay. Thank you for joining us on Queer’s the thing. Fuck off.

Madison: Wait is that really it? Ididn’t think that was really it.

Talia: No, I’m certainly not.

Madison: Oh, my God.

Talia: I just wanted to say it is. Thank you again for joining us on queer’s the thing. Our episodes come out on the 13th of every month and we’d love it if you’d come back to find out what sheer queer and went to steer clear. You can send us reviews, suggestions via our e-mail. queersthething@gmail.com, our Twitter @qttpodcast or on our Instagram @queersthething. Until then, goodbye. 

 *outro*

Talia: Lee is crying in the club because we have tall Lee themed names.

Lee: I’m crying in the club? Is that an expression?

Talia: Yeah.

Lee: Too old for this.